If you bet MAC games read this or any college football games

QuickNick · 10-28-05, 06:48 PM

These people must be stupid, if anyone gambles and does not know they have cheating going on in college atheletics, they need to get their head out of the sand to put it lightly!!!

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BOOKMAKERS HANG DARK CLOUD OVER MAC GAMES, ESPECIALLY TOLEDO…

While bookmakers have no evidence of wrong doing they are still focusing a tremendous amount of attention to what they say are strange betting patterns in the Mid-American Conference, especially those involving Toledo.
Bookmakers say there has been a tremendous amount of line manipulation in the MAC this season and they point to two Saturday games as examples of that. Toledo opened a -10 road favorite at Central Michigan and has been bet down to -7½. In a second game they are watching, Western Michigan opened a -4 home favorite over Kent State and has been bet out to -7.
Pointspread shifts such as this are not uncommon but bookmakers say it is happening too often on MAC games and they have the evidence to prove it, as they have been hit hard by “middle” bettors. For those not familiar with the term, a “middle” bettor is one who bets both sides in the same game, laying different prices and then hoping the game falls between that which he gave and that which he took. When that happens he collects both bets.
For instance, if the Toledo-Central Michigan final score falls on an 8 or 9-point difference middle bettors will win on both sides. If the Kent State-Western Michigan falls on a 5 or a 6, they will also collect both bets.
Bookmakers have already been stung twice this season with Toledo—first in the Rockets game at Temple on September 17 and again on their game at Ball State two weeks ago.
In the Temple game, Toledo opened a 30-point favorite and was bet down to -24½. The final score was 42-17, which meant the Rockets won by 25 and the game fell in the middle. This game costs bookmakers tens of thousands of dollars.
In the Ball State game, Toledo opened -19½ and was bet out to -23½. The Rockets won that on by 20 points, 34-14, again putting the game in the middle and cost bookmakers another small fortune.

ODDS AGAINST SAME TEAM PRODUCING MULTIPLE
MIDDLES ASTRONOMICAL…

Bookmakers say the odds of one team producing two middle winners during a single season are astronomical and the heavy two-way action on both games was traced to a small group of individuals, all of whom knew one another.
"We may look stupid, but we're not," said one bookmaker from Antigua, "And we will get to the bottom of this."
The mechanics of middle betting tell the entire story, since a middle gives a player 20-1 for his money in a world where most bets return even money on a winning wager. Here is how the middle works, using the Temple-Toledo game as an example.

Bettors would take Temple +30 and then bet in a manner that gave the appearance of continued action on the underdog. When they felt their actions had driven the number as far as it would go, they would step in and bet Toledo -24 ½.
The math is simple: If a person bet $110,000 to win $100,000 on Temple +30 and then made a similar bet on Toledo -24 ½, he is risking just $10,000 to win $200,000 because it is impossible to lose both bets. If the game falls in the middle of the +30 and the -24 ½, he collects $200,000, or gets 20-1 for his money.

Bookmakers have their own crew of investigators studying every aspect of any game with a suspicious betting pattern; from who officiated the games to how touchdowns were scored and if there were bogus penalties or turnovers at key points of the game.
We will keep you informed, but in the meantime, this is one handicapper who is staying away from MAC games. It is an understatement in the world of sports betting to say rather safe than sorry.

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ANYWHERE YOU HAVE HUGH AMOUNTS OF CASH AND GAMBLING INVOLVED YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE CHEATING.

JUST THINK ABOUT THIS......... YOU ARE A 18 OR 19 YEAR OLD KID PLAYING FOOTBALL IN COLLEGE OR BASKETBALL FOR THAT MATTER AND SOMEONE APPROACHES YOU WITH A DEAL WHERE YOU CAN MAKE $10,000.00 CASH JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T WIN A GAME THIS WEEKEND BY MORE THAN 23 POINTS AND YOU ARE A 24 POINT FAVORITE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS BROKE KID IS GOING TO DO???????? HE IS GOING TO WIN THE GAME AND MAKE DAMN SURE HE DOES NOT WIN BY MORE THAN 23 POINTS.

HE MAKES $10,000.00 CASH AND THE GUY THAT FIXES THE GAME BETS $100,000.00 ON THE GAME AND MAKES $90,000.00. FOR 3 HOURS OF WORK IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. NOW YOU SAY, HEY WHAT IF THE KID DOES NOT GO FOR THE FIX, THEN WHAT?????? YOU THREATHEN HIS PARENTS AND TELL THE KID TO TAKE THE MONEY AND WIN THE GAME BY 23 OR LESS. wHAT KID WILL NOT DO IT IF SOMEONE THREATHENS HIS PARENTS OR WIFE AND CHILD, A LOT OF COLLEGE ATHELETES HAVE FAMILIES AT THE AGE OF 18 OR 19. THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF WAYS TO FIX A COLLEGE SPORTING EVENT AND THOUSANDS OF aTHELETES TO HELP FIX THEM FOR MONEY!!!

JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN, IT MAKES PLENTY OF SENSE TO ME.

THEY HAVE TOO MANY KIDS THAT YOU CAN GET TO AND FIX A GAME IN COLLEGE........... ON ANY GIVEN WEEKEND YOU HAVE 50 GAMES OR MORE THAT HAVE LINES ON THEM IN NCAA FOOTBALL

Eaglesfan · 10-28-05, 06:56 PM

I AGREE GOOD STUFF NICK

Eaglesfan · 10-28-05, 06:57 PM

ACE MIDDLED THAT GAME LAST WEEK IVE BEEN MAKING GOOD MONEY ON MAC GAMES THIS YEAR

Tommy · 10-28-05, 10:21 PM

Yeah Nick, Some Books might just stop taking MAC bets because they are getting hammered by the middling. Thats why alot of Handicappers focus on the MAC.

QuickNick · 10-28-05, 11:29 PM

Yea but Tommy, it's not just good capping going on there as you read it's SUSPICIOUS BETTING PATTERNS.

Tommy · 10-28-05, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by QuickNick

Yea but Tommy, it's not just good capping going on there as you read it's SUSPICIOUS BETTING PATTERNS.

Yeah I Know, very fishy, but they catch on and make money on it.

naught33 · 10-28-05, 11:43 PM

good stuff QN, great read and info, thanks for sharing, WOW

QuickNick · 10-28-05, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by big123

Yeah I Know, very fishy, but they catch on and make money on it.

hummmm Tommy, you have me confused bro. They who??? catch on and make money??? the offshore houses KNOW WHO THESE GUYS ARE and they're probably a betting syndicate, the way the Book from Antigua say's that they know each other.

Tommy · 10-30-05, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by QuickNick

hummmm Tommy, you have me confused bro. They who??? catch on and make money??? the offshore houses KNOW WHO THESE GUYS ARE and they're probably a betting syndicate, the way the Book from Antigua say's that they know each other.

Nick, I am just saying that thier are probably some who focus on just this and get hints by line movements and such and can tell what is going on even without the credible source. Im not talking about who is involved directly, I am talking about who can spot what is going on in other ways like line movements etc because thier have been major moves in this conference for some time and some books don't even book these games because it is an easy spot for some who focus on just this. Not talking about who when and where, Im talking about some average bettors that follow the MAC and only the MAC.

Everything · 10-30-05, 01:07 PM

We Handicappers just need to be alert.

That's what I do.

ACEACE · 10-31-05, 03:51 PM

OH YES!!!!!!....NOW MORE KNOWS WHAT I BEEN KNOWING FOR THE LAST YEAR OR SO

naught33 · 11-02-05, 11:53 AM

yeah it all out there ACE...thanks for sharing your info, and QN thx for showing us this article...

husker61 · 11-02-05, 03:39 PM

what one position player could you pay to shave points in football that has that much controll over the score of the game and could do it discreatly. remember you are placing a huge wager on a big favorite (assured of win not cover) and the coach wont take out of the game or get hurt.

10-28-05, 06:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
QuickNick SCI Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 9,637	If you bet MAC games read this or any college football games These people must be stupid, if anyone gambles and does not know they have cheating going on in college atheletics, they need to get their head out of the sand to put it lightly!!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BOOKMAKERS HANG DARK CLOUD OVER MAC GAMES, ESPECIALLY TOLEDO… While bookmakers have no evidence of wrong doing they are still focusing a tremendous amount of attention to what they say are strange betting patterns in the Mid-American Conference, especially those involving Toledo. Bookmakers say there has been a tremendous amount of line manipulation in the MAC this season and they point to two Saturday games as examples of that. Toledo opened a -10 road favorite at Central Michigan and has been bet down to -7½. In a second game they are watching, Western Michigan opened a -4 home favorite over Kent State and has been bet out to -7. Pointspread shifts such as this are not uncommon but bookmakers say it is happening too often on MAC games and they have the evidence to prove it, as they have been hit hard by “middle” bettors. For those not familiar with the term, a “middle” bettor is one who bets both sides in the same game, laying different prices and then hoping the game falls between that which he gave and that which he took. When that happens he collects both bets. For instance, if the Toledo-Central Michigan final score falls on an 8 or 9-point difference middle bettors will win on both sides. If the Kent State-Western Michigan falls on a 5 or a 6, they will also collect both bets. Bookmakers have already been stung twice this season with Toledo—first in the Rockets game at Temple on September 17 and again on their game at Ball State two weeks ago. In the Temple game, Toledo opened a 30-point favorite and was bet down to -24½. The final score was 42-17, which meant the Rockets won by 25 and the game fell in the middle. This game costs bookmakers tens of thousands of dollars. In the Ball State game, Toledo opened -19½ and was bet out to -23½. The Rockets won that on by 20 points, 34-14, again putting the game in the middle and cost bookmakers another small fortune. ODDS AGAINST SAME TEAM PRODUCING MULTIPLE MIDDLES ASTRONOMICAL… Bookmakers say the odds of one team producing two middle winners during a single season are astronomical and the heavy two-way action on both games was traced to a small group of individuals, all of whom knew one another. "We may look stupid, but we're not," said one bookmaker from Antigua, "And we will get to the bottom of this." The mechanics of middle betting tell the entire story, since a middle gives a player 20-1 for his money in a world where most bets return even money on a winning wager. Here is how the middle works, using the Temple-Toledo game as an example. Bettors would take Temple +30 and then bet in a manner that gave the appearance of continued action on the underdog. When they felt their actions had driven the number as far as it would go, they would step in and bet Toledo -24 ½. The math is simple: If a person bet $110,000 to win $100,000 on Temple +30 and then made a similar bet on Toledo -24 ½, he is risking just $10,000 to win $200,000 because it is impossible to lose both bets. If the game falls in the middle of the +30 and the -24 ½, he collects $200,000, or gets 20-1 for his money. Bookmakers have their own crew of investigators studying every aspect of any game with a suspicious betting pattern; from who officiated the games to how touchdowns were scored and if there were bogus penalties or turnovers at key points of the game. We will keep you informed, but in the meantime, this is one handicapper who is staying away from MAC games. It is an understatement in the world of sports betting to say rather safe than sorry. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ANYWHERE YOU HAVE HUGH AMOUNTS OF CASH AND GAMBLING INVOLVED YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE CHEATING. JUST THINK ABOUT THIS......... YOU ARE A 18 OR 19 YEAR OLD KID PLAYING FOOTBALL IN COLLEGE OR BASKETBALL FOR THAT MATTER AND SOMEONE APPROACHES YOU WITH A DEAL WHERE YOU CAN MAKE $10,000.00 CASH JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T WIN A GAME THIS WEEKEND BY MORE THAN 23 POINTS AND YOU ARE A 24 POINT FAVORITE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS BROKE KID IS GOING TO DO???????? HE IS GOING TO WIN THE GAME AND MAKE DAMN SURE HE DOES NOT WIN BY MORE THAN 23 POINTS. HE MAKES $10,000.00 CASH AND THE GUY THAT FIXES THE GAME BETS $100,000.00 ON THE GAME AND MAKES $90,000.00. FOR 3 HOURS OF WORK IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. NOW YOU SAY, HEY WHAT IF THE KID DOES NOT GO FOR THE FIX, THEN WHAT?????? YOU THREATHEN HIS PARENTS AND TELL THE KID TO TAKE THE MONEY AND WIN THE GAME BY 23 OR LESS. wHAT KID WILL NOT DO IT IF SOMEONE THREATHENS HIS PARENTS OR WIFE AND CHILD, A LOT OF COLLEGE ATHELETES HAVE FAMILIES AT THE AGE OF 18 OR 19. THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF WAYS TO FIX A COLLEGE SPORTING EVENT AND THOUSANDS OF aTHELETES TO HELP FIX THEM FOR MONEY!!! JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN, IT MAKES PLENTY OF SENSE TO ME. THEY HAVE TOO MANY KIDS THAT YOU CAN GET TO AND FIX A GAME IN COLLEGE........... ON ANY GIVEN WEEKEND YOU HAVE 50 GAMES OR MORE THAT HAVE LINES ON THEM IN NCAA FOOTBALL __________________ Nick
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10-28-05, 06:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Eaglesfan SCI Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,054	I AGREE GOOD STUFF NICK
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QuickNick SCI Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 9,637	Yea but Tommy, it's not just good capping going on there as you read it's SUSPICIOUS BETTING PATTERNS. __________________ Nick
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naught33 SCI Forum Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 13,666	good stuff QN, great read and info, thanks for sharing, WOW __________________ -naught33 "You miss 100% of all the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky "No one, and I mean no one, comes into our house and pushes us around"-coach from the movie Rudy
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Everything SCI Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 98	We Handicappers just need to be alert. That's what I do.
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naught33 SCI Forum Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 13,666	yeah it all out there ACE...thanks for sharing your info, and QN thx for showing us this article... __________________ -naught33 "You miss 100% of all the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky "No one, and I mean no one, comes into our house and pushes us around"-coach from the movie Rudy
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husker61 SCI Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1	what one position player could you pay to shave points in football that has that much controll over the score of the game and could do it discreatly. remember you are placing a huge wager on a big favorite (assured of win not cover) and the coach wont take out of the game or get hurt.
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