AL and NL MVP

TheOneTheOnly2006 · 08-24-06, 06:51 PM

If the season ended right now, who do you guys think would win the AL and NL MVP? Are Ortiz and Pujols already locks to win them?

dananderson32 · 08-24-06, 06:55 PM

ortiz and either pujols or howard in NL depending on if the phils make the playoffs or not

Wigington · 08-24-06, 07:11 PM

Talk about Jeter over Ortiz and I am not buying it.

Ortiz may not field, but its nol about offense or defense. Its about who is the most valuable to their team. If Jeter goes down, he has a stacked lineup to get his back. Ortiz goes down and Boston is hurting severely.

soxaliscious · 08-25-06, 12:41 AM

For the NL it's obviously Pujols. Until he retires it will always be his MVP award to lose. But for the AL it has to be Jermaine Dye. He's batting .325, leads the league in slugging, 37 HR and 99RBI. He's well on his way to a 45, 120 season. I dont care about Big Papi because he doesn't play the field, and Jeter is a great hitter, but that team is loaded with hitting and its a pick your poison for the pitchers. Jermaine, not Thome, is becoming the face of that offense and is getting hot at the right time to make a big push for October. It has to be Jermaine for MVP, if he played in New York or Boston we wouldn't even be having this discussion because he would win it hands down.

naught33 · 08-25-06, 12:48 AM

i dont think either al or nl mvp are set up yet....first we have to see who makes the playoffs...im not sure i buy the arguement about big papi...yes he is a monster, but if he had to play the field day in and day out what kind of numbers would be put up, surely he wouldnt have the same ones he has now, his offensive numbers would be down some, maybe not a lot but definately some....yes the yanks lineup is stacked, but jeter is having an amazing season, i hate both the yanks and sox but i think it is def between those 2 for al mvp...in the nl, yes pujols is having a monster yr but u cannot discredit carlos beltran...the mets are the best team in the nl and reyes and beltran have been putting up huge numbers....what hurts them is they will prob split votes, stl might not even make the playoffs, they are only 1 game up on cincy, if they hold on albert prob gets mvp in a tight race, if they falter, one of the mets should win it imo

Tommy · 08-25-06, 02:36 AM

If the season ended today, then I'd have to go with Pujols for the NL and I'm not too sure about the AL right now but if Boston comes back and makes the playoffs it's a no brainer with Ortiz. Alot of things can happen from now until the playoffs start.

QuickNick · 08-25-06, 02:47 AM

we could discuss this all night, I just want to say, I feel a player to be nominated for MVP should have to play on a regular basis and not just DH. Just my opinion, a DH has an advantage on a hot day he sits in the dugout and comes out 4 or 5 times during that HOT day just to swing a bat. While regular players are out in the heat running and fielding and they can't possibly be as refreshed as a DH.

Wigington · 08-25-06, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by soxaliscious

For the NL it's obviously Pujols. Until he retires it will always be his MVP award to lose. But for the AL it has to be Jermaine Dye. He's batting .325, leads the league in slugging, 37 HR and 99RBI. He's well on his way to a 45, 120 season. I dont care about Big Papi because he doesn't play the field, and Jeter is a great hitter, but that team is loaded with hitting and its a pick your poison for the pitchers. Jermaine, not Thome, is becoming the face of that offense and is getting hot at the right time to make a big push for October. It has to be Jermaine for MVP, if he played in New York or Boston we wouldn't even be having this discussion because he would win it hands down.

So you are going to discredit Ortiz because HE doesn't play in the field and ONLY back up Dye with OFFENSIVE NUMBERS?

I will give you avg for Dye, but Papi just hit his 46th tonight with 120 rbi's and if you actually would Dye over Ortiz in a late game situation, you can go ahead and have Dye. Ortiz is by far the most dangerous hitter in baseball.

The debate for MVP is Most Valuable Player. Good on offense and no defense, good on defense no offense or just Winning? Too much is read in between the lines about playing on offense only. Does it really matter if Ortiz is a DH? Does that mean he is less valuable? NO. Absolutely not. Dye would get drowned out in Boston or New York. Papi is much better and more clutch hitter than Dye and your argument is only made because you are a Sox fan. Dye won the MVP of the WS last year so enjoy that.

Wigington · 08-25-06, 04:27 AM

the problem with beltran is the same problem with jeter.

They both have a stacked lineup. Thats their only problem with winning it.

I think Soriano is a good choice in the NL because he is by far the Most Valuable Player for the Nats. I think it is a shame that a team needs to be a playoff teasm to be the MVP. I don't agree with that at all.

Tommy · 08-25-06, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wigington

the problem with beltran is the same problem with jeter.

They both have a stacked lineup. Thats their only problem with winning it.

I think Soriano is a good choice in the NL because he is by far the Most Valuable Player for the Nats. I think it is a shame that a team needs to be a playoff teasm to be the MVP. I don't agree with that at all.

If the team doesn't need to make the playoffs, then RyHow would have a good shot at MVP. I just don't think he wins it if the Phils don't make the playoffs.

In the beginning of the year, all of the critics predicted Beltran would have a great year, mostly because of Delgado hitting behind him in the lineup. Take Delgado out and put the pressure back on him and I think things would be alot different. Even so, Pujols and Howard still have better numbers in every offensive category. When you have Wright, Delgado and Reyes all having great years as well, its really hard for Beltran to stick out as the most valuable.

Tommy · 08-25-06, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by QuickNick

we could discuss this all night, I just want to say, I feel a player to be nominated for MVP should have to play on a regular basis and not just DH. Just my opinion, a DH has an advantage on a hot day he sits in the dugout and comes out 4 or 5 times during that HOT day just to swing a bat. While regular players are out in the heat running and fielding and they can't possibly be as refreshed as a DH.

I agree with you whole-heartily on the advantage part, but I feel it's whoever makes their team better and gets the job done regardless of how they do it. I still don't understand why they even have a stupid DH.

soxaliscious · 08-25-06, 05:21 AM

Wiginton, i hope ur on something. How can you give a MVP award to someone that doesnt even bat.300?????? He's a DH. All he has to worry about is hitting. Yes, he does have a lot of home runs but I think in order to be "Most Valuble" to your team you have to hit for AVERAGE. Maybe if he hit more during the game he wouldn't need all those "clutch" hits in the 9th. Jermaine hits for average, power and has an excellent glove. I'll take that and playing in October over batting sub .300 hundred and sitting at home during the playoffs anyday.

Wigington · 08-25-06, 05:37 AM

Sox my point is that you only made an argument for Dye on OFFENSE. The only offensive category that Dye has the advantage over Ortiz is average. Now if you want to put defense into the argument then I say Dye is a very underrated glove. But you only backed up Dye with offense.

If all Ortiz has to do is worry about hitting, then how come every other DH in the AL isn't hitting 45+ HR's and 130+ rbi's?

You really want to deny's Ortiz' clutch hitting? You can't. Ortiz is hitting 13 point shy of .300 and he has carried this team.

Here is the problem with everyone on this topic. As soon as a DH is brought up, you want to discard it because they don't play in the field.

That is BS. The award is not for offense or defense, but for most valuable

M-O-S-T V-A-L-U-A-B-L-E

Neither category takes away from the other, its about who is most valuable to the team.

But for those who want to play the defense card

I have a question for you

If Ortiz was playin 1st base, is he now a beter choice?

If Ortiz stands on 1st base and catches the ball thrown to him, does his MVP rank go up?

Or should we just get rid of all MVP candidates who play 1st base?

Pujols? What about him? Is his glove or bat more valuable to the Cards? Would Pujols be less valuable if he played in the AL as a DH?

AUTIGER · 08-25-06, 03:07 PM

Trying to tell us that Soriano should be MVP is a complete joke. In fact its extremely laughable. He is on a losing team and is cry baby...its Almost as funny as convincing us that David Ortiz's fat ass will win a gold glove this year. Wig I don't know what you see in those two, niether one of them is worthy of MVP status. Can I get your pharmacist number, because niether Boston nor Washington is going too make the playoffs.

Wigington · 08-25-06, 03:40 PM

once again - you don't undertand what i am talking about.

Soriano is an example of a player who is most valuable to his team, I don't think he will be the mvp...it was an example. Why does a team have to make the playoffs to be the MVP? Don't count Boston out yet, they still have an upcoming series vs NYY.

soxaliscious · 08-25-06, 04:44 PM

Wigington please give some of whatever it is your're on. How can you make an argument for Soriano when he is on a losing team? How "valubale" can he be to his team if his team isn't even at .500???? Oh and you think Papi would get more votes if he stood at 1st base and caught the ball??? There's a reason why he's a DH....his fat ass can't move!!! 1st base isn't as easy as you make it seem, just ask gold glovers PUJOLS and Helton about that. And don't get your hopes up buddy, the Yankees own your Red Sox. No playoffs this year.

Tommy · 08-25-06, 05:00 PM

Howard is a big dude and plays 1st base just fine

bigben · 08-25-06, 05:26 PM

dave ortiz AL
beltran NL
noooooo long story here

Wigington · 08-25-06, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by soxaliscious

Wigington please give some of whatever it is your're on. How can you make an argument for Soriano when he is on a losing team? How "valubale" can he be to his team if his team isn't even at .500???? Oh and you think Papi would get more votes if he stood at 1st base and caught the ball??? There's a reason why he's a DH....his fat ass can't move!!! 1st base isn't as easy as you make it seem, just ask gold glovers PUJOLS and Helton about that. And don't get your hopes up buddy, the Yankees own your Red Sox. No playoffs this year.

So we go from having a discussion on the MVP to insults about your opinion on the Red Sox. Classy...real classy. Ortiz is a DH because he is not the best fielding 1st baseman, but neither is Giambi yet no one points the finger at him.

You want to have a debate then lets debate, but you don't see me throwing insults at the White Sox do you? I could go on and tell you how horrible your pitching staff is and how you are fighting for the WC as well...but I don't.

You want to have a discussion then do so on a mature manner.

Wigington · 08-25-06, 09:46 PM

Did you feel comfortable with A-Rod as the MVP last year? He has been one of the worst fielding 3rd basemen in baseball...he just isnt comfortable playing in the hot corner....yet Papi should be denied because he is a DH.

Biased much?

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Wigington SCI Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,227	Talk about Jeter over Ortiz and I am not buying it. Ortiz may not field, but its nol about offense or defense. Its about who is the most valuable to their team. If Jeter goes down, he has a stacked lineup to get his back. Ortiz goes down and Boston is hurting severely.
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08-25-06, 12:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
soxaliscious SCI Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 202	For the NL it's obviously Pujols. Until he retires it will always be his MVP award to lose. But for the AL it has to be Jermaine Dye. He's batting .325, leads the league in slugging, 37 HR and 99RBI. He's well on his way to a 45, 120 season. I dont care about Big Papi because he doesn't play the field, and Jeter is a great hitter, but that team is loaded with hitting and its a pick your poison for the pitchers. Jermaine, not Thome, is becoming the face of that offense and is getting hot at the right time to make a big push for October. It has to be Jermaine for MVP, if he played in New York or Boston we wouldn't even be having this discussion because he would win it hands down.
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naught33 SCI Forum Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scarsdale, NY Posts: 13,666	i dont think either al or nl mvp are set up yet....first we have to see who makes the playoffs...im not sure i buy the arguement about big papi...yes he is a monster, but if he had to play the field day in and day out what kind of numbers would be put up, surely he wouldnt have the same ones he has now, his offensive numbers would be down some, maybe not a lot but definately some....yes the yanks lineup is stacked, but jeter is having an amazing season, i hate both the yanks and sox but i think it is def between those 2 for al mvp...in the nl, yes pujols is having a monster yr but u cannot discredit carlos beltran...the mets are the best team in the nl and reyes and beltran have been putting up huge numbers....what hurts them is they will prob split votes, stl might not even make the playoffs, they are only 1 game up on cincy, if they hold on albert prob gets mvp in a tight race, if they falter, one of the mets should win it imo __________________ -naught33 "You miss 100% of all the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky "No one, and I mean no one, comes into our house and pushes us around"-coach from the movie Rudy
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Tommy 2008 World Champions! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sportscapper Island Posts: 15,134	If the season ended today, then I'd have to go with Pujols for the NL and I'm not too sure about the AL right now but if Boston comes back and makes the playoffs it's a no brainer with Ortiz. Alot of things can happen from now until the playoffs start.
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QuickNick SCI Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 9,637	we could discuss this all night, I just want to say, I feel a player to be nominated for MVP should have to play on a regular basis and not just DH. Just my opinion, a DH has an advantage on a hot day he sits in the dugout and comes out 4 or 5 times during that HOT day just to swing a bat. While regular players are out in the heat running and fielding and they can't possibly be as refreshed as a DH. __________________ Nick
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Wigington SCI Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,227	the problem with beltran is the same problem with jeter. They both have a stacked lineup. Thats their only problem with winning it. I think Soriano is a good choice in the NL because he is by far the Most Valuable Player for the Nats. I think it is a shame that a team needs to be a playoff teasm to be the MVP. I don't agree with that at all.
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08-25-06, 05:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
soxaliscious SCI Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 202	Wiginton, i hope ur on something. How can you give a MVP award to someone that doesnt even bat.300?????? He's a DH. All he has to worry about is hitting. Yes, he does have a lot of home runs but I think in order to be "Most Valuble" to your team you have to hit for AVERAGE. Maybe if he hit more during the game he wouldn't need all those "clutch" hits in the 9th. Jermaine hits for average, power and has an excellent glove. I'll take that and playing in October over batting sub .300 hundred and sitting at home during the playoffs anyday.
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08-25-06, 05:37 AM	#13 (permalink)
Wigington SCI Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,227	Sox my point is that you only made an argument for Dye on OFFENSE. The only offensive category that Dye has the advantage over Ortiz is average. Now if you want to put defense into the argument then I say Dye is a very underrated glove. But you only backed up Dye with offense. If all Ortiz has to do is worry about hitting, then how come every other DH in the AL isn't hitting 45+ HR's and 130+ rbi's? You really want to deny's Ortiz' clutch hitting? You can't. Ortiz is hitting 13 point shy of .300 and he has carried this team. Here is the problem with everyone on this topic. As soon as a DH is brought up, you want to discard it because they don't play in the field. That is BS. The award is not for offense or defense, but for most valuable M-O-S-T V-A-L-U-A-B-L-E Neither category takes away from the other, its about who is most valuable to the team. But for those who want to play the defense card I have a question for you If Ortiz was playin 1st base, is he now a beter choice? If Ortiz stands on 1st base and catches the ball thrown to him, does his MVP rank go up? Or should we just get rid of all MVP candidates who play 1st base? Pujols? What about him? Is his glove or bat more valuable to the Cards? Would Pujols be less valuable if he played in the AL as a DH?
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AUTIGER Young-Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,645	Trying to tell us that Soriano should be MVP is a complete joke. In fact its extremely laughable. He is on a losing team and is cry baby...its Almost as funny as convincing us that David Ortiz's fat ass will win a gold glove this year. Wig I don't know what you see in those two, niether one of them is worthy of MVP status. Can I get your pharmacist number, because niether Boston nor Washington is going too make the playoffs. __________________ SEC BABY
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08-25-06, 03:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
Wigington SCI Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,227	once again - you don't undertand what i am talking about. Soriano is an example of a player who is most valuable to his team, I don't think he will be the mvp...it was an example. Why does a team have to make the playoffs to be the MVP? Don't count Boston out yet, they still have an upcoming series vs NYY.
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08-25-06, 04:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
soxaliscious SCI Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 202	Wigington please give some of whatever it is your're on. How can you make an argument for Soriano when he is on a losing team? How "valubale" can he be to his team if his team isn't even at .500???? Oh and you think Papi would get more votes if he stood at 1st base and caught the ball??? There's a reason why he's a DH....his fat ass can't move!!! 1st base isn't as easy as you make it seem, just ask gold glovers PUJOLS and Helton about that. And don't get your hopes up buddy, the Yankees own your Red Sox. No playoffs this year.
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Tommy 2008 World Champions! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sportscapper Island Posts: 15,134	Howard is a big dude and plays 1st base just fine
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bigben SCI Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,024	dave ortiz AL beltran NL noooooo long story here __________________ Ben
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08-25-06, 09:46 PM	#20 (permalink)
Wigington SCI Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,227	Did you feel comfortable with A-Rod as the MVP last year? He has been one of the worst fielding 3rd basemen in baseball...he just isnt comfortable playing in the hot corner....yet Papi should be denied because he is a DH. Biased much?
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